The Things We Don’t Talk About

Bipolar, Relationships, Support | Rich Wallace | October 29, 2009 at 6:11 AM

things_we_dont_talk_aboutBipolar disorder is not an elegant topic in any sense of the definition of the disorder. Some would say the symptoms themselves sometimes offer a positive feeling to a sufferer when the euphoric highs come into play, others on the supporting side would say that there are some upsides for them as well when the cycle is in the right area of the spectrum. Finding such positive attributes tied to the disorder is difficult, but they can be seen, if only for a second or two.

Many people, including both the educated and uneducated alike, have some type of understanding that bipolar disorder has a very dark side. The educated and well experienced have seen and live with this dark side on a daily basis and know first hand about the kind of pain that radiates from within the sufferer and out to those around them. The uneducated or inexperienced think they have an idea but have never really been in the trenches themselves or they simply ignore what they are not willing to understand.

If you’re new to the realm of bipolar disorder from a supporter’s perspective, I must warn you now that many of the potential challenges that may be presented are not easy to understand, accept or forgive if you yourself are not willing to dig in and really see why some of these challenges exist. I’ve received several emails from those asking the questions and I’m catching a lot of searches on particular topics that are generally avoided and ignored, but the truth of the matter is, these topics are a part of the disorder and must be talked about just as much as the not so negative topics.

Hypersexuality
This topic is rarely brought up in the public eye as the true meaning of this symptom is somewhat hidden. The typical description of hypersexuality related to bipolar disorder states:

Increased sex drive; desire to seduce and to be seduced

Why Don’t We Talk About This?
What we don’t care to imagine or respect, is that in the right timing of the bipolar spectrum, environment and opportunity, some big mistakes can be made due to the inability to think rationally when this symptom appears. “Cheating” and “infidelity” are thrown around and again, I’ve gathered many questions that revolve around this topic alone, but they are very real concerns to have in the bipolar arena. Many relationships and marriages have been torn apart over this symptom alone and many are simply not willing to deal with the issues and walk away. Understandably, some religions see this as a sin and there is no room for forgiveness or, jealousy will overcome all other emotions and the final decision to leave the relationship is made.

Why Can This Happen?
The disorder, when in a hypomanic or manic phase, does provide an increased sex drive but given a deeper understanding of what hypomania or mania can do to a bipolar mind, the irrationality and loss of reality can kick in and if there is a great desire for sexual gratification, even a marriage can sometimes be forgotten about and the sufferer may make some very poor choices and seek for that gratification elsewhere.

Why Should I Accept This?
Many people that do not understand bipolar disorder, or have other beliefs perhaps, cannot and will not accept this possibility, and if it does end up becoming a reality in the relationship, they will walk away and not look back. To each, their own…but as an advocate and supporter of a bipolar loved one, this reality is something that needs to be respected. It is not a matter of our loved ones no longer loving us, or wanting to ‘find someone else’, it is part of the disorder and not a character flaw of the individual.

Am I Allowed to Let This Hurt Me?
Of course, we’re still human and we have our own emotions and this can be a very painful experience. Decisions that never had to be considered are now having to be considered, trust that has never been broken may have now been broken. The questions that need to be answered are:

What did I do wrong in order for this to happen?
More than likely, nothing! This is a very real part of bipolar disorder, but at the same time, there must be some investigation as to whether or not the event occurred as a result of a bipolar cycle. If no, then there are other issues to confront. If yes, then it’s probably safe to say that the event was truly emotionless and again, the individual was in a very irrational state of mind and self-control was not an option.

Does my spouse still love me?
Again, if the event was truly induced by bipolar disorder, then you probably don’t need to worry about your spouse no longer loving you. The urge to seduce and to be seduced is a desire that does not include actual emotions, more like a drug induced fix that needs to be satisfied. The actual feelings generally stay in the marriage and do not sway regardless of the physical event.

Has it happened before?
Unlike the old adage, “Once a cheater, always a cheater…”, if this has happened before, keep in mind that bipolar disorder based cycles and episodes themselves are not a one time occurrence. The possibility of such behavior being present in the past is very high, but you should know your loved one enough to know what type of history they have had. Have they been promiscuous in the past? Was it a self-esteem issue? Have things changed since then? Consider the disorder and understand it before passing judgment.

Can it happen again?
Yes, it very well can happen again, because as mentioned, this is a result of a symptom that has occurred within a bipolar cycle. These cycles are known to happen several times a year, even more so in a rapid cycler.

As with all areas of the spectrum, some key events can be hurtful, embarrassing and extremely difficult to comprehend. We sometimes want to believe that we have seen all the pain that bipolar disorder has to offer, or believe that, “My loved one would never do such things!!”. In a sense, this is correct…our loved ones may indeed never do such actions, but remember, bipolar disorder is a disease in the mind and it can control certain areas of that mind that will cloud judgment and make it possible for those actions to be performed. The successful supporter, however, can see through these actions and remember that it is not our loved one making these decisions. They are simply the puppet in these situations that are being manipulated by a hurtful disease.

With a passion to reach out and to help others, Rich opens up a direct view into the trials and tribulations that come with managing a bipolar relationship and how to use real-world techniques to aid in stability and support.
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  • Julia
    another not discussed topic: lack of libido to so many medications. Has anyone else dealt with a sexless realtionship? He wants to but just can not perform and he is only in his early 30's. It is a huge hit to the ego and self esteem creating more emotional turmoil. Interested in what others have to say. Thank you Rich.
  • Hi Julia. I'm assuming (and forgive me if I'm incorrect) that you mean the meds that he is taking is affecting his libido? If yes, we have been there and it can indeed affect self-esteem and anxiety. As important as the physical connection can be in the relationship, it is critical during such challenges that the emotional aspect is enhanced and it will eventually balance out.

    My pair 'o' pennies, anyway. Thanks for posting, Julia!
  • BPeed
    My husband of 15 years is BP, we have 3 small children. I only twigged to his condition recently because I thought for the past 15 years that he had a terrible alcohol and later a Cocaine habit. I think he probably had both but the behaviours I had accounted for from the Drink & Drugs continued despite a significant reduction in the use of the Drink & Drugs and now with all the information on BP it is a 100% certainty that it was BP and not the D&D's. Anyway, that is just a bit of background. I always knew deep down what was going on. A year after we were married I found a $5000 charge to a brothel, after that I would just find $5000 cash advances on every out of town trip he took for work. I found internet searches for high class escorts in the countries he was travelling too. He would of course deny it all then after the fight, he would become his normal self for a while, that person that I love, so I turned a blind eye. It was not until I realized he was BP and I read all the information that all the dots connected and I could no longer turn that blind eye. Now that I am faced with the full reality, and while knowing that he is not in control, he doesn't feel anything but some imbalanced compulsion, I am just feeling that I prefered denial. He has just gone on another trip and I will tell him when he returns that I will not continue the marriage until he has a full STD check up. HIV, warts and all..... I will do this every time he goes on a trip away because I do not trust him - trips away are such a trigger for hypersexuality for him. My feelings are that now that I know he was cheating, having sex etc, regardless of its lack of emotional need, the simple fact of sharing his body with other people in this world of HIV and terrible STDs that can destroy lives is such an overwhelming concern for me, I really am not sure I can continue to be a support.
  • I'm so sorry for the challenges you have endured. Your situation brings on a difficult time of decision and I do truly wish you and your family peace and resolve.
  • L&Ben
    I am commenting as someone who has been affected by an individual who is bipolar and deals with hypersexuality. My ex, B, and I were in the middle of trying to work things out. He decided he would try dating before we made a real go of it, and he found an interest on a dating website. He and I have a child and this woman was recently divorced with two children. I was very much concerned. After just a couple of weeks of talking online, the two of them decided they were very much into each other and figured it was time to meet up. I was not happy about it at all. I was worried, and B was very cruel about the whole situation. I was crushed. On their first date they slept together. I was at home with our daughter waiting for him all night long. When he came home, he said he had a great time and that he wanted to keep things going with her. He told me he cared about her. I was disgusted. Two weeks went by and he cared about this person. He cared about this woman who would sleep with him on a first date. He told me about how bad he felt that her divorce was due to her ex constantly mentally abusing her. She to B her husband told her she was disgusting and that her "womanly area" was disgusting. B thought she was absolutely worth being cruel to me over. He felt the need to protect her. She made herself out to be a victim, and he felt the need to be a hero for her.

    Eventually they broke things off because they figured it wouldn't work out. It also appeared that she lost interest. Of course, I wasn't going to give up without a fight. I loved B and our family. I went so far as to email this woman about how horrible she was and about how she put me in such a horrible position. B wanted me back, and I couldn't decide what to do. She sent the email on to B. I suppose so he could see how awful of a person I am. In the email I got a little ugly. Emotions got the better of me. I told her B wanted nothing to do with her and that he thought she was just average in bed. B read this and felt the need to apologize to her over that part. B felt the need to tell her the sex was great. He apologized to me saying that it was only because of her ex's insults. He felt so bad for her.

    Why do men have to be the hero? Why do they fall for this? B and I have since worked things out, and we are happy to be living our lives together. I still cannot shake why this ever happened. He felt the need to console someone who played the victim? He was at a crossroads? Something told me there was more to this girl. She lied to him. I recently found out that this woman is bipolar and deals with hypersexuality. I found out that she cheated on her husband with six men. She never told B any of this. She made him feel sorry for her. Is this what people with this illness do? I of course shared what I learned with him. He is disgusted that he almost risked his family for this person. Of course B is not innocent, but in all fairness, everything she presented was a lie. He put everything out there for her, but she didn't care that she was risking a family. Not one bit. I have a difficult time feeling sorry for someone with this illness, but I do know that it is a sickness. I take that back. I do feel sorry for this individual because they have children, and their actions don't indicate wanting to change.

    As for B...We've both made mistakes, but we love each other. We know that we will continue to make them, but in order to be a family, we have to forgive. I'll be forgiving and moving on because to be happy and truly forgive, I know I must. Thank you for this article. It has helped B and I more than you can imagine! You have helped to bring us great closure!
  • Thank you so much for posting and for the kind words, they are truly appreciated and I do wish you and your family all the best.
  • nick
    I think the secret cyber sex thing or at least sex ads on adultfriendfinder.com or craigslist are REALLY common with bipolar people from all of the confessions I've read on a few bipolar forums. It happened with my wife and like some of the other people, we didn't know that her antidepressants were fueling her mania. She tried to have flings and finally had one with a disturbing man she found on an online game of all places. She became obsessed with him and a new fantasy life without me or our kids. She moved away for 5 months in 2008 and wouldn't treat the bipolar disorder until I threatened divorce. It was a heart breaking and scary time for our whole family. It took months for her to get the right meds and come down from mania. She is now a good mom and wife again thanks to meds.
  • Great to hear that things have turned around, Nick! Thanks again for sharing.
  • Julia Twaddle
    This is always a problem. My boyfriend has a compounded problem inthat he is a rapid cycler and on so much medication that he can not sexually perform. SO he gets hypersexual and can not alleviate the desire and is in a state of anger and resentment. Not a good combination. I feel for all those going through this on both sides.
  • Thanks for posting, Julia. We also deal with the rapid-cycling which is indeed a new level of difficulty. Thank you for sharing and I wish you all the best.
  • Anna
    Thank you for this awesome blog, it has helped me to come to grasps with something that happened a while back that I was completly disgusted by that I could be capable of doing. I, on a normal day, do not condole cheating in any form and feel that I would never do that. Yet, I found myself at a party with some of my old friends, while my boyfriend was abroad. I was feeling very weird, missing him intensly but also feeling hypersexual at the same time and ended up flirting with this guy that we used to have a ... well, you might say a more than friends- relationship with back when I was single. I got drunk and had sex with him and I could never really understand how I could let myself get into the situation. I mean, if one of my friends came to me telling me they've cheated and said "but hey, I was drunk" I would just tell them that is not an excuse; you can truly never get yourself in that kind of a state with alcohol that you can't control yourself. But the situation was horrible, I kept thinking about my boyfriend and even imagining that he was there instead of my friend, and the most horrible part is at times I truly believed it was my boyfriend.
    I have told my boyfriend about this and he thankfully forgave me. But I have felt so horrible ever since that I am afraid to go to parties that I know I might have the opportunity to do this at again. I don't think that I've been able to explain this to him in a way that he would understand it, because I just can't get over the fact that my actions simply disgusted me and I get overwhelmed with how horrible a person I could be to be able to do that. I did figure it had something to do with bipo and alcohol but I never even thought of this; I mean, even when I am sober I seek flirting partners while in manic/hypo stages.
    Thank you, so much for this article. I feel I can finally talk to my psychiatrist about this and actually find the words. I've been too ashamed to even do that, because I don't want to be that person that I found myself being that night...
  • Thank you so much for sharing this, Anna. I can only imagine how difficult this was for you.
  • Wow! This post along with many others has helped me with my own BP. I never could figure out why I was so hypersexual at times and not so much other times. I got caught by my wife a few times with ads out on yahoo personals, adult friend finder and a few other sites like those. She asked me why I was doing it and all I could say is "I don't know" I honestly didn't know why I was doing it but I would do it and not understand why. I knew better but yet would do it. I never wanted to hurt my wife and loved her dearly and I would never cheat on her and I swore to her that I would never cheat on her. I never did cheat on her! I did go through the seducing/being seduced through chat rooms too. Yes that is cheating emotionally but it wasn't like I meant anything I said in those chat rooms. My wife never could understand this and if I would have know then all the things I know now about bi polar and everything that goes with it my life would be completely different. My wife left me 2 years ago today. Thank you Rich for all the great information that you post. Not only do you help the supporters of BP but you help the sufferers too!!!
  • Experience tends to make me want to couple this particular topic with a potential state of disassociation. When the only answer to the question of "Why", is "I don't know....", there is a link between the hypomanic/manic side of the spectrum where one can lose touch with reality, and disassociation, which from what I have seen is similar to that of an out-of-body experience. It's common that those touched by this topic never really "mean" to cause harm and when I realized that myself, it did make it easier to deal with and understand, but it also helped me to understand the disorder more and how it affects my wife and our overall relationship. I am truly sorry that you have had to endure the loss of your relationship, Dennis. Please hang in there and there is always going to be that silver lining, somewhere.
  • Dennis
    The way you describe the hypomanic/manic side as almost being like an out of body experience I can totally relate to that. Thank you for all your help and your reply. Your site not only helps bipolar supporters but it helps those suffering with bipolar too!! Keep up the great work!
  • Thanks again, Dennis. I appreciate the support you offer.
  • This post kills me. Today I am moving out of my home because of this. I am bipolar. I had started taking an antidepressant that kept throwing me into a manic state...my hypersexuality got worse and worse. Everything you are describing...the need to seduce and be seduced...hits home. I cheated on my husband with 6 men between February and the beginning of October. I look at that and I think there is no way I could have done that...how did that happen? And why? I love my husband. I don't want this divorce. But he does not believe this is due to illness. He thinks I am just a liar and a cheater and that I will always be a cheater. My heart is broken. I feel like he gave up on me. When I say that he replies "You gave up on me when you cheated." I understand why he is hurt and why he wants this divorce. I just wish he could step inside my mind for a few weeks and feel how this feels, especially when I am hypersexual. He doesn't seem to believe that exists...or he feels like it's just my excuse. Interestingly enough, I stopped that antidepressant and have not had a manic episode since. It could just be my situation but I don't want men to even come near me right now.

    I feel like I'm going to die alone now.
  • Thank you Rich for touching on this difficult topic. It is so hard to share... so hard to understand. But the more we bring these things to light, the more we discover we are not going through these cycles and symptoms alone. Finding support is crucial, and also the information and wisdom we can gain from one another is invaluable.
  • Thanks for the kind words, Wes. I struggle with sharing some of the harder issues, but if I don't, I cannot truly expect to help others if I pull punches.
  • tammy
    OY! You have hit on a very sensitive subject for me! Unfortunately, I do get hypersexual. I have often wondered though if one can be hypersexual while also in a depressive episode because that seems to be the case with me sometimes, either that or I am (ultrian?)rapid cycling and have yet to be able to recognize it completely. I was always so ashamed when I got hypersexual and began searching outside my marriage. I sought out "pleasure" via chat rooms, porn sites and such. I never physically cheated on my husband because of the fear from losing him (and well I lost him anyways = ( but right before we seperated (I 100% believe I was in a full blown episode) I had ttry to arrange a meeting with 2 different men. I backed out of it though because of fear and because I loved my husband. My religous background also weighed heavily on my mind. GOD! How I wish I would have taken the time to get diagnoised when I first suspected I was bipolar! I often want to tell my husbansd about all of this but I am so afraid that IF there was a chance of us getting back together he would NEVER understand or forgive me.
  • From what I've seen, especially with ultradian cycling, there is a very high risk of hypersexuality during a manic/hypomanic or mixed state. There can be the most popular circumstance where the sufferer is experiencing a manic/hypomanic state and that euphoric factor can push away any sense of consequences and can result in the events taking place. If in a mixed state, the depressive side can push the sufferer into a phase of self-loathing and lost all self-respect and just 'stop caring'. If in the wrong situation, the mixed state with hypomania/mania kicks in and launches them into making such a decision that would normally not be made. This area of bipolar is very difficult for everybody involved, if the non-bipolar individual is not aware of these possibilities and cannot be understanding, it's usually a deal-breaker.
  • I push communication as hard as I can when it comes to managing bipolar relationships, yes...even the hard topics because they need to be known about. If a supporter is willing to learn and understand, it only helps the relationship, if they are not, as you can see, the potential challenges are not shared and if/when they do show up unintentionally, all hell can break loose. I'm not sure where you stand with your ex now, but if he's still in your life, then there is definitely an opportunity to discuss these things. If they are not willing to understand, it's a loss, but they were probably not good for the needed support system you need anyway.
  • aimee
    This is one symptom I have read about and it makes me uncomfortable. My husband does get hypersexual in his manic episodes and I've quite enjoyed that aspect before he was diagnosed! I don't know what I would do if I wasn't on the receiving end of it though. I try not to worry about things like that because nothing like that has happened and there is nothing about my husband that indicates he would do something like that. But I know it is important that people educate themselves about the possible ways the disorder might manifest itself. I like to think I could be understanding and forgiving. But it's just terrifying to think of it.
  • Hi Aimee, it is a very uncomfortable topic, which is why it's rarely publicized. Why I choose to put these topics out there, is to let those know that there may be dark sides and experiences that may not be well known with the disorder. Your comment of, "nothing about my husband that indicates he would do something like that"; is exactly why this particular topic is so alarming. It can and does happen although there's no reason to see why. Hopefully it does not occur, but it's something to put in the back of the minds of supporters and other loved ones.
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